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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jul 10, 2009 10:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

"Joey" was and is like the screeching of a thousand fingernails across a blackboard, worse than a dozen Donna PITB wails. Not only was it played poorly, it is probably the worst song Dylan ever wrote.

Rhyming fork with clambar in New York....I've got a little spit up in my mouth.

I'm saying this as a huge fan and follower of Dylan, but just like Jerry in the 90's somebody got to tell the truth.

I'm sure the rest of the band had a real reverence for Dylan, but probably none as much as Garcia. While after Tom Petty, Dylan may have felt OK having the lumbering behemoth behind him, time has shown that he can kill it with a small tight band.

It would have been my wish to see Dylan with the old JGB incarnation with Tutt, Merl and Kahn backing him and Garcia. A decade earlier wouldn't have hurt either. Senor, Positively Fourth St., It Takes A Train, I Shall Be Released, Simple Twist of Fate, Tangled Up in Blue....an awesome set.

Just a dream..

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Poster: krs-10 Date: Jul 10, 2009 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

Great discussion - just came back from Rothbury this past weekend and I have to say that the Dead are holding up very well, esp. considering their lead man is in heaven, while Bob is suffering. I love Bob Dylan and was hooked on his live shows in the '90s - I realize in retrospect how much of that amazing sound was due to Larry Campbell and Charlie Sexton... but it seemed that after Jerry died, Bob was singing with LOTS of feeling - at a show in Toronto in '97 he played Silvio, Friend of the Devil and Alabama Getaway - a great tribute and acknowledgement of the connection between him and the Dead. He played so well then, but now...

I caught him last summer in Hamilton, ON, and this spring in Oshawa, ON. Both shows were bad. Rothbury was even worse. The band tried their best, but Bob's delivery is so brutal now - croaking has replaced melody, but even worse is that the rhythms of his vocal phrasing have been reduced to his limited guitar and piano riffs that we've all been trying to ignore. The only explanation I have for this is dementia. Well, at 68, you can't expect a whole lot. Thing is, his mind for lyrics is impeccable. I don't know how he does it. Someone should break it to him that he is scaring away the majority of his audiences when he plays live. The never-ending tour should pack it in. Hard to say it, I love the man and put up with lots of idiosyncracies, but the overall quality is so poor now that it's time.

BTW - those rehearsal tapes for the '87 tour yield some interesting things... I love "Boy in the Bubble"

Peace!
K

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Jul 10, 2009 2:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

I would have to agree somewhere in this decade, his singing took a dive . I mean he had always be on and off, and when he was on, it could be pretty interesting . I saw him at Staples Center in LA, 10/19/01, still on guitar, and he was great, maybe the best I have seen him . I didn't see him for a while, and I heard rather perplexed reports by people who did . I next saw him at the Pantages Theater, 3/25/05 and his singing was ... It just didn't work . He kept doing these upturns at the end of a line, like some weird Tommy Johnson/Bing Crosby thing... for the WHOLE concert ! And I am disappointed with the singing on the new album . Bob knock of the cigs, booze, and take a long break !At least for that voice of vour's .

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 10, 2009 12:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

Thanks for the report. Saw him in 98 and again in 2002 and thought both were okay...almost good.

But all that has been said above more or less applies re:BD and last 30 yrs...

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Poster: spacedface Date: Jul 10, 2009 11:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1987-07-24.sbdAud.dad.97493.flac16

I went this one in Oakland, and it still seems like Highway 61 had a bad 3-way with Truckin and Roadhouse Blues. Or maybe secretly they're the same song.

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Poster: cosmic charlie dupree Date: Jul 10, 2009 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

After listening, I definitely hear you. If Bob had slipped in a "bomp a chu kong kong" or "Ashen Lady" it might have passed unnoticed!

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jul 10, 2009 12:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

Have any of y'all ever heard "Motorcycle" by Love And Rockets? Same riff... again! :)

As far as Bobby D. goes... I love his live concerts in the 60's, 90's and 00's... but the 70's-80's concerts, he rarely seems to give a shit (with or without the GD), especially about his singing. He always always always delivers the lyrics as fast as he can, in one big out-of breath rush, as if he can't breathe properly while onstage (maybe he couldn't.)

"takethisbadgeoffame... (vamp)
ican'twearitanymore (vamp)
it'sgettintoodarktosee (vamp) ... you get the picture...

This post was modified by Styrofoam Cueball on 2009-07-10 19:39:44

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Poster: clashcity Date: Jul 10, 2009 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

I beg to differ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CF6j5RHbHdA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKuvf-1mqCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHL0mRRs_bk

This post was modified by clashcity on 2009-07-10 20:10:08

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Poster: Styrofoam Cueball Date: Jul 10, 2009 1:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

I see your point, yet I never cared for the Rolling Thunder shows much either (more because of the re-arrangements, then Zimmy's singing).

And if you haven't heard the Clash show at Wolfgang's Vault, you might like it...

http://concerts.wolfgangsvault.com/dt/the-clash-concert/20049895-7256.html

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Jul 10, 2009 1:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

Remember Durango, Larry?

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Jul 10, 2009 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Dylan and the Dead

Let us not forget the definitive love song...and the definitive version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDZvP7T3B30